You can use other route creation tools such as Strava (free) and copy the gpx download to the hidden newfiles directory but it ignores waypoints. I’d start with eliminating 3rd party apps first, and then go from there. A unit with an optical HR sensor should be snug. Could this impact it? and Skiing: Ski, Snowboard, XC Ski This one of the best Wear OS apps lets you check real-time flight status… But it is kinda convenient to just walk in the house and have things upload the second you close the door from a run. Optical HR Sensor: Flattened out even more, virtually flush with back of unit After all, while the Fenix 5 is a great day to day smartwatch, the reason you buy it is likely for outdoor sports goodness. For this I’m going to round-up the watch basics into this section, then sports into the next, and then talk about unique Fenix 5 pieces like the new Training Load components. 5X Only – Mapping: Ability to create automated running/riding routes (round trip mapping If I were you create a 5 or 10k route using Mapometer go for a run and try both see which one you prefer. Hi again – I think one my faulty devices had an extra face, but at least the last one didn’t. You might improve this by adding in Glonass or Galileo but that will hit batter life. I bought mine in December so I have a lot of time to see if Garmin figures this out. Here’s how that rolls out: Fenix 5S – $599: White bezel with white silicone band (band officially called ‘Carrara’) But I was unaware the F5 also added Galileo. This was serious problem with Stryd causing drop-outs, but not a problem with Garmin HR monitors and the Garmin RD pod. I’m interested by the Fenix 5X… but I was wondering if new product (Fenix 6x ?) My run last week on the street sticks out for 2 specific parts of the track. I’ve tried tightening and loosening the wrist strap but it make no difference. I had the same problem, altitude ranging from +65,000 feet to – 1,200 in the same spot on my brand new $750 Fenix 5 Saphire. I recently bought a PowerTap C1-Powermeter and I use it with my fenix 5. I use Fenix 5x for Golf, Running and walking. the HORROR!!! Training Data: Added split of aerobic and anaerobic training effect 1 question: if I buy an F5 today, are there still the “connectivity” issues or did that get solved in the meantime? The Fenix 5 has quick responsiveness, accuracy, and is easy to use. productive, unproductive, etc…), and fitness/load arrows are inline with how I feel. Up untill now, no scratches. To access the widget loop during a run, you need to HOLD the down button (assuming you still have the default hot key setup). Given that would have solved issues for folks, I’m reasonably sure they would have mentioned it as part of my conversation (but then, perhaps not). I love my Fenix 5x. Cheers for the reply. The general guidance of *every* power meter company I talk to in the industry is given the option to connect your power meter over ANT+ or Bluetooth Smart, always choose ANT+. *Posted on Vivoactive 3 Review also* Since I have a lot oc custimization (activity-profiles and Data-field setups): Is there a possibility to transfer all the settings (i.e. I’ve seen faults happen on different makes and models that were not repeatable. Well, according to Garmin it’s purely one thing: WiFi on the base models (Sapphire glass models have it). Oh hell no, bring on the fury of the internet! Below is how it looks on the Fenix 5 (non-X), we’ll get to the 5X in just a second. Hi, to get something clarified… I’m looking at the Fenix 5 – not the plus as it has features I don’t need/use. No device on the market gives as much customization as this. Based on Garmin’s trend of a two year cycle then expect an announcement January 2019 and product around March 2019. I compare data with my 510 and it is sometimes way off. Remember, that was started 500m into the swim (i.e. That is a shame. Its really disappointing . All units with 1 second recording and Glonass off. Garmin support first told me the issue was because I didn’t log it as a skiing workout (fine, though ideally I’d like my watch to estimate my calories whether I remember to hit start on it or not), but even when I properly start / stop my Fenix for skiing, it’s inaccurate. The bands are still interchangeable though. If you don’t need maps or external accessories the fenix 5 gets better battery life — especially during navigation — and is smaller that then fenix 5X. I like the split between anearobic and aerobic during an activity and I like the 24hr heartrate (although, when I do a ‘proper activity’, I will use a HR strap as I know the HR in the watch is not reliable when doing intervals etc.. 4) Navigation (with mapping) I’m headed to Paris – what do you recommend for training or sightseeing? None really impact your workout. It is a good watch 90% of the time, but it’s the 10% failure when I really need it that is frustrating. I’m using the fenix 5 in same areas / use cases as the others devices. I’ve noticed my HR isn’t accurate any more now. Backing on the F5 series is stainless steel. This is actually an interesting case because the chest strap is wrong here. Tracks on the other hand are simple you just follow the line, Fenix 5 is a device that should stand quite a lot in terms of environment and there are engineers who can reach that. If we look at the final distances, here’s where they stand: In this case the Fenix 5 had an overage over the reference track by about 180 meters. The fact is there are no too big differences in the comparison. Also try comparing your watch barometric reading with local weather station – pick an activity, add barometric pressure as a data screen, and then you can compare to weather station. I bought a unit with wifi by accident and do not want to use it. Well first up is the watch itself. I had been getting 5-6 days on a charge with 3 2.5hr or so bikerides included. A comprehensive guide to all things running explains running physiology, biomechanics, medicine, genetics, biology, psychology, training, and racing. So if you happen to get the same sensor driftings/errors, do a backup before and try a hard reset. If they all function like this one, I would absolutely not recommend this watch. It does so better than the FR735XT, though not quite as nicely as the Suunto Spartan Ultra (though, up above the Spartan Ultra is in the buildings for most of the canal test area). I found this to only to work in urban environments and not on trails (at least not in the UK). Found insideThis book aims at guiding the educators from a variety of available technologies to support learning and teaching by discussing the learning benefits and the challenges that interactive technology imposes. It’s too slow as far as I can see it. It’ll reach it’s ‘full potential’ once it has about a month’s worth of data on you. I recently purchased the fenix 5s and took it out on a couple of hikes in Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado. Beta version 9.53 enables Galileo! third: Price Match Guarantee. In winter and with the last faulty device, I did only xc skiing. Ironically, this lap summary page is modeled in turn after what Garmin did on their Edge series devices. Mine will often ignore the first and last few meters of a decent hill and often totally ignore “hills” or ramps of a few meters even though the altimeter after the ramp, is correctly displaying 3 meters higher. 3200 to me sounds like my steps before the race, given all the back and forth I was doing from my car, getting set up in transition, etc. Here is a probably slightly offtopic question, but still, I hope you can help: The ambient pressure should somewhat match current barometric pressure compensated by altitude. Said differently: It’ll be different for everyone based on their historical loads. Did you contact Garmin support? In general, I like to wait a few seconds extra (10-15 seconds) before starting, after it’s green. Any reading materials or information on how to get more than time when on an indoor rower or bike? Do you know how to show the 25k topo maps from géoportail and swisstopo without buying them from Garmin? (I stated what I stated above, because Garmin has been pretty consistent in talking to me in saying they didn’t see any way forward on this without hardware changes. The bundle is only offered in the following editions, so if you want an HR strap bundle (that comes with the HRM-TRI strap), for capturing swim workout data), then you have to pick one of the two specific bundles offered (neither 5S or 5X). It’s working fine. ANT Garmin VIRB Action Camera Control Overall, although it is expensive and not perfect, I have been happy with the device. I don’t currently have any ANT+ or bluetooth accessories, so I cannot say whether I would have an issue with reliability of personal area network devices. Thanks Paul! Any ideas? Just wondered whether you had any insight into this… I realise it’s a Third-party issue but not really seen it mentioned anywhere else. Things in Common: Garmin Forerunner 45 vs. 245. Fenix 5 Sapphire – $699: Black bezel with black silicone band (+ includes a yellow silicone band) There’s virtually no risk of these popping off in an open water swim or the like, because the lever is below the band against your wrist. Suunto does the whole navigation thing so much better (see my previous comments). It had been working just some days and suddenly both the altitude- & barometer-drifting began followed by a temperature reading of “—“. In one of the recent beta firmware F5 updates (and subsequent up to software version v7.00 BETA) there was a BTE/ANT/SNS firmware update to v5.30. It seems like there is some reason to be cautiously optimistic. It’ll offer the ability to show a map (which is just an outline) as well as the elevation profile. What’s interesting is you if you look above you’ll see a little wedge on the upper right portion of the circle – kinda like two clock hands. just want my metrics. Finally! I have serious battery anxiety, but at the same time I don’t want to futz with a battery pack during a technical climb or descent late in the event nor really disable everything but GPS. Calories, peak performance, VO2Max and training effect. None of which really changes your predicament. I do not question your reviews, I just want to find out why/if my unit is performing bad compared to my old 620. Splits activity into Aerobic and Anaerobic. Over the last decade or so I’ve been relying on DC Rainmaker’s in-depth reviews to influence my purchasing decisions. I paired with my phone, but have not added back any connect iq watch faces, widgets, data fields or apps. Do you know if Garmin will be incorporating Body battery functionality into existing Fenix 5 models or is it only going into new Garmins? So I’m really going to focus on one of the climbs I did, since that was a bit more intense. Below are the most popular. I’ve actually got a crapton of experience with openwater swims and the Fenix 5, thanks in large part to being in warmer climates for January-March. I have loved the integration Garmin offers but hate the HR …. Natural pine forests characterize many landscapes preserved over time, either as a result of a specific forest management practice or a disturbance. Recalibrated everything several times. Both of which work flawlessly on other headunits, including other Garmins. That’s kind of how I feel now. Thanks very much. 20, the device assumes you are in the “moon” and you get a crazy high figure. If the price difference between Fenix 5 and 3 HR is ~$100, could you suggest if F5 is worth it? I’m going to iterate through some basics on a few core sports, but keep in mind that for the most part everything from a core functionality standpoint in one sport applies to another sport. While i expect the wrist based measurement to be inaccurate ….. i was assuming it would be something closer to Fitbit … but this is way off … super disappointed unfortunately …. It’s been nearly three months since Garmin first announced the Fenix 5 series, a lineup of three core watch sizes/models (5/5S/5X), that spans 14 variants in total. Apple does the same, btw. weight is correct; I’d also check the iPhone (Settings -> Bluetooth). I also own a fitbit and a Huawei Band 2 that cost £35 and I never have connection issues with those. Still a few quirks but these could be intentional, still learning the thing. It’ll also capture transition times too. ***. Note Suunto also can now do 7 data fields per page, though I honestly haven’t had much of a reason to need more than four on a wearable. Now, the most important wording I noted above was ‘follow published standards’. For indoor trainer use, the Fenix 5 optical HR sensor seems just fine though (no vibrations on the road to screw it up). They’re calculated at the completion of an activity, and without that data, it’s kinda firing a blank. Thanks, you said it better than I tried to explain it. That’s because Bluetooth Smart at this time cannot accept multiple master device connections. I also had my first workout with the new device today, a 4×4 interval session on a treadmill. I purchased the Fenix 5, had a faulty watch (just stopped working) then got another unit (whilst I was waiting for a replacement, I bought a Fenix 3 (at a great price). Fenix 5: Slightly larger than the 5S, but smaller than Fenix3HR Of course, with the QuickFit system, you can pop it on and off super quick. zick-zack runs, “Writing-Runs” (trajectory represents letters & words), etc. As such, you’ve either got to wear it on your wrist, or pick up one of those cheap $11 rubber mounting blocks for your bike. Quirk – There’s no quick release kit: One of my top complaints about the Fenix 3, before they released one, and the same is true here. I was doing hill sprints (8×30) and I live at 7,300 ft and the HR was waaay low (130bpm). What is the implication/consequence? Most watches will use a portion of the accelerometer pace to even out GPS issues, especially at low speeds like walking (where GPS struggles a bit). Garmin support did not acknowledge any specific known or widespread problems with the fenix 5 altimeters and offered to replace the device yet again, but after 3 strikes I’m done. The first part is a bit of a warm-up, and then I go into four interval sets of about 5 minutes each, followed by three slightly more intense (but shorter intervals). My 5 has awful connection issues. I also try to advocate for the planet & its people. Two last notes – the Fenix 5 includes both the ability to establish Lactate Threshold levels as well as cycling VO2Max. Bluetooth 5.0 does resolve this (upcoming), but so did Bluetooth 4.1 – and nobody has adopted either from a sensor standpoint in the sports industry yet. My Fitbit worn on the opposite arm still counts steps. Amazon is letting me return it. You can also customize the length as well if you’re pool is wonky. Anyhow, I cannot add more courses on the devices… the limitation seems to be 30 courses, and not 50 as described…. About the only major difference is when we start talking about power meters, which the cycling mode supports. Great guy, seriously!!! So it’s looking at your past training load and figuring out what you’re capable of. This week, it broke after a very small impact that i even haven’t noticed. Let’s not pretend there is none. GPS + Glonass? Next, let’s move onto swimming. Has anyone seen a major drop in battery life as of the most recent firmware update (14.10)? I give the watch lots a flexibility in the later 2 venues. I manually calibrate each AM and the watch is fairly accurate throughout the day’s activities. For some bizarre reason Garmin for the last few editions has released a slightly different bezel/strap option in the UK/EU that’s not available elsewhere. I picked up the Fenix 5x, primarily due to this detailed review (thanks!). It hasnt scratched despite serious use (my old 920 is unblemished too). Paid good money for it and it just doesn’t work. I can’t get the all day Heart rates to work anyone had this problem. Thanks! You can also get Audio Prompts while you run, which include announcements during your workout on pace, speed, heart rate, lap number, lap time. However, virtually all trainers that support FE-C also broadcast ANT+ Power/Speed – so you can still connect to those signals just fine. ANT Shimano Di2 Gear Shifting Profile I subsequently turned off GLONASS and never had another significant issue. I’m happy to have them on my wrist. As always though with (all) pool swimming and accelerometers, there’s a few tricks you can use as well to get better accuracy: A) Obviously, ensure your pool length is right I’ve got the watch replaced, but faced new problems with the new one. Do’oh.. The Fenix 5 Elevate optical HR sensor is definitely improved over the first generation Garmin Elevate sensors (either via firmware or hardware) when it comes to cycling, but it still leaves a bit to be desired in this area. Next, we’re looking at the middle section (passing another pier), when I properly started the Suunto Spartan Ultra. Screen and colours are better. I really do not want to have to return the watch. I like the smaller watch, and I think battery would only be a real issue when I run 50 milers or 100 milers…which is at best, once maybe twice per year. They are a little smaller but this is helpfull in applying them or getting them off if needed. I know intervals are tricky for OHR, but at some point during 4 minutes of hard intensity, it should be able to get it right! My fenix 3 never experienced this issue under the same conditions. The temperature would read upwards of 500+ degrees F and elevation would read negative and with no change within workouts. Note, I would move onto a cycling activity – but I’ll be honest – they’re boring. You can see that below too – it’s not telling me of any impending turns, despite the route being on a twisting road – because it knows I can’t go anywhere but that road. Fenix 5 Sapphire – $769: Black bezel with black band + yellow silicone band, with HRM-TRI strap. The first one is an advice to rest (or not if you are fully recovered). Thank you in advance! It’s a special sauce UK/EU one. Most of the time. I think saphire is just a way to upsell. In a great way. Wearing a long sleeve shirt or removing a jacket (causes static electricity discharge) causes it to retreat from it’s real reading and creates what I call a new bias point that is much lower in mb. I run streets, town forest, trails. Good summary here on privacy concerns with activity tracking devices – link to techcrunch.com. Hi Jase, They’ve got a super cool lap summary page. Change the battery. It seems Garmin are in denial. This is not my arm lol—had a friend model. Here’s the best way to think about it. This morning, I paired the F5 to my local gym spin bike which uses Stages. The second day I had it on GPS + Glonass and it still seemed pretty off (a couple miles over ~12 miles total). Question. This may be a 3rd party problem – I am sure Garmin sources these from a manufacturer like Infineon – it is most likely the problem either with the sensor itself or the integration of the sensor into the device (ie: mechanical casing, electrical connections, power supply, data lines, logic, software drivers, etc.). Found inside – Page 1It’s a book that myth-busts, motivates and will get you moving. Nic is passionate about the wellbeing of New Zealanders. Health Your Self makes achieving a healthier, happier life just that little bit easier. Při běžném používání hodinek se mě odřel rámeček hodinek. Still, not quite ideal. Satellites drift slightly in their orbits, and the GPS signal includes an almanac of the latest orbital data and ionospheric conditions. Anyone got any inside info on the current situation. I am preparing for a Sky Run ultra with a significant navigation component. However, I want to take a brief diversion to talk about that cable. I have the 5X with the Tri/Swim HRM’s and so far have been using Connect and Strava Premium…. Instead, Garmin uses private-ANT (just like Shimano does for Di2). I find the wrist heart rate sensor to provide reasonable-looking results 99.9% of the time. This means you can lookup a place to eat, or a place to get gas (useful for also finding food or water on a long ride), and many other places: Once you select a POI, you can route to it as well just like before. Any news about this? This is the first time I’ve seen that message and I’ve been riding with that watch for months. Nothing more, nothing less. As some context, I’m mainly a distance runner (marathons and half marathons), but I also do a decent amount of cross-training and have dabbled in triathlons. Just got a Fenix 5 and bike sensors to replace my (don’t laugh) Polar 625SX. Hi Derek! Running 5x times per week, and wearing it constantly. Garmin has done a pretty good job in getting compatibility working for the dozen+ ways that power meter companies have adopted the Bluetooth Smart standards in power meters. I am not able to locate the Leather band for the Fenix 5X on the Garmin website. You’ll see that the Forerunner 245 is 20% heavier than Forerunner 45S, and 7% heavier than the Forerunner 45. Overall, in the city no device was awesome (it’s due to the technology), in the open fields all were really good, but in the forrests the LG G6 was really the worst. Unfortunately it’s only going into the newer ones. Just in case. Hey Ray, That said, I swim about as well as a rock, so open water swimming is not something I’ve tried with the watch. For comparison sake, I’ve placed it against the Fenix 3 HR, as well as the Suunto Spartan Ultra, and then the FR735XT. Sensors: Added ANT+ Muscle Oxygen Sensors (MOXY/BSX) ... And I've been unproductive for about a month now! I did not know better and simply tried the soft-reboot pattern and/or connecting to pc.. F) If you have to pass someone mid-lane, it’s best to ramp into that pass as evenly as possible. The Forerunner 45 lasts up to 7 days in smartwatch mode, and 13 hours in GPS mode. I repeatedly hit the problems of the altimeter being inaccurate by orders of magnitude: 65000+ feet and 32000+ feet elevation readings…and the down to negative 12000 feet (in areas of about 200 – 4000 feet above sea level) Though I am running in Greece with 15 degrees at a February night I’ll keep in mind the blood flow factor and the temperatures. Again – remember you can make your own comparisons using the comparison tool here. In short, the situation sucks, but for most people it’s not a deal breaker. They could just never update the chipsets involved and it’ll remain a broken scenario. So, Is there a work around? Usually, it doesn’t regain enough signal to know exactly where you are – so instead it starts trying to plot based on a spread of points. However, it won’t always work. Keep the great work and our lives easier everytime we need to decide where to jump next on our devices!! It’s covered with the ANTfs standard, and most other platforms do it right. Given it’s been going on for far longer than the Fenix 5 (since the FR920XT actually), I’d say the chances are low. Skiing, and hiking, and biking and running. Any thoughts on how to proceed from here? Not blaming, just saying that’s the best place to start and kinda walk back troubleshooting from there. This book presents a theoretical perspective. It reviews an enormous amount of research which establishes unequivocally that intrinsic motivation exists. The device starts “correcting” the figure immediately and you are soon again in the space or on the sea bottom. I don’t care about a specific step count, but I want my daily watch to be directionally accurate – so I know that I burned more calories on a day when I made it a point to get up from my desk and walk around between meetings, vs sitting on my butt for 12 hours straight. – It requires either the optical HR sensor be enabled or a heart rate strap be paired to accumulate load. We’ll see! Garmin stopped making watches that work with ANT+ scales some years ago (3-4 I think). Everyone is. ), Can you tempo swim with this watch? Get the 5X it’s fantastic and the maps are well worth it if you ever walk/run/ride somewhere you don’t know. So, push off forcefully each time Because altimeter is better. I have found in general if there’s going to be an issue, it’s almost always going to happen in the first 120-180 seconds. Except the 5X, which only has Sapphire. Temperature would be stuck at 307 degrees Celsius and the altitude would always be 20000 meters. 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