QualityVak To report a problem, send an e-mail to our Webmaster Professional woodworker's jigs, rigs, and shopbuilt equipment I stopped using Unibond years ago after one too many acid burn throughs ruined finished pieces (mostly occurred in light veneers). The most important criteria when judging a veneer is bonding performance. Why all the hoopla about the rigid glues? Employment opportunities and services within the woodworking industry of pressure per square inch (psi). If you are looking for a urea glue, go to http://www.qualityvak.com/glue.html. Map || Privacy Policy || Site User Agreement Titebond vs Contact Cement This topic has 39 replies, 14 voices, and was last updated 5 years, 8 months ago by DesertDeuces. As far as the expense, measure it out. Vacuum Chucking Intentionally using another persons name is prohibited, and posts of this nature will be removed at WOODWEB's discretion. Buy and Sell Exchanges date.setTime(date.getTime() + (180 * 24 * 60 * 60 * 1000)); A Thread Related File that contains inappropriate content will be removed, and uploaded files that are not directly related to the message thread will be removed. To a certain extent, the person posting the message is responsible for including specific questions within the message. We have been selling PPR (powdered plastic resin) glue for 20+ years and sell 1 gal., 5 gal, 100lb and 300lb drums. 2/7       #7: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Review WOODWEB's Copyright Policy. Not that I'm a fan of the stuff, but the glue starting giving us problems then - with adhesion. Video Library When used properly it has excellent adhesion and no bleed-through. Readers should undertake the use Personal or business website links must point to the author's website. This seems to hold some better. My first spreader had 1/16" V notches almost 1/4" on center and that was too much for veneering w/ PVA. "Cross posting" is not permitted. Advertising is inappropriate. Letters, questions or comments? There are a few pre-mixed glues, some two-part glues, but my favorite is plastic resin glue, sometimes called urea formaldehyde, often sold as a powder that is mixed with water a few minutes prior to use. ... I did two tests to calculate film thickness using grams of glue used per square meter. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links, files, or images it deems inappropriate. I've been very happy with it's performance on my box I'm doing currently and does a … Over time, it becomes progressively more difficult to squeeze the glue out but we can't say that it ever becomes too much of a hassle. How do we know we have the the proper amount? Your Name: Member Whatever it is, they have worked well for me (even w/ unfilled PVA and porous quarter grain veneer). Compra Titebond Cold Press for Veneer 907, 2 gram. It looks as if there are two solutions ready to use: The spreaders as suggested by John V B and the notched spreaders for smaller jobs. If the numbers I'm getting are right, and my scale is accurate (grams per square meter), the spread is only a hair over 4 mils. Messages that do not reflect a professional tone reduce the value of our forums. To receive email notification of additions to this forum thread,enter your name and email address, and then click the The V notches are approximately 1mm (1+ edge, 1- legs) on 3mm centers. Titebond cold press works OK, if you keep pressure while setting. Classified advertising for the woodworking industry (for advertisements that do not include machinery, lumber products and employment listings) These kind folks returned a vast array of comments. 1/16" notched trowel. Click and collect Items ready for pick-up within one hour. Do you mean "Pro-Glue" instead of "Pro-Bond"? and at their own risk. Member David R Sochar Advertisers offering woodworkers discounted prices on good and services, and announcements of upcoming auctions var date = new Date(); CAD Forum Chris Some as simple as "it needs to dry faster". Do you mean "Pro-Glue" instead of "Pro-Bond"? TiteBond II can see moderate exposure to moisture, but will “let go” if prolonged exposure is encountered. They are used for spreading thinset for tile, adhesive for vinyl flooring, etc. 2/7       #6: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Value Added Wood Products Forum Issues related to laminating and solid surface materials and processes A vacuum bag exerts one atmosphere of pressure, or 15 psi, and you don’t have all those heavy waxed cauls plus beams and clamps to deal with. View higher quality, full size image (1280 X 960) When posting listings in these areas, review the posting instructions carefully. Honestly Titebond cold press veneer glue works great. To receive email notification of additions to this forum thread,enter your name and email address, and then click the Carefully review your message before clicking on the "Send Message" button - you will not be able to revise the message once it has been sent. We use foam rollers - small o.d. Not thorough enough mixing of the powder apparently. Not thorough enough mixing of the powder apparently. Messages are inappropriate when their content: is deemed libelous in nature or is based on rumor, fails to meet basic standards of decorum, contains blatant advertising or inappropriate emphasis on self promotion (return to top). I did two tests to calculate film thickness using grams of glue used per square meter. (return to top). Project: CRS™ The info I got from them was to mix with a power mixer let it sit for 5-10 min. Dave $('.thumbcount').html("1"); $('.thumbsupimg').click(function() { Other Resources To a certain extent, the person posting the message is responsible for including specific questions within the message. WOODWEB, Inc. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links it deems inappropriate. Machinery Exchange Your e-mail address will not be publicly viewable. A shelf stable, one part (pre-catalysed) cross-linking PVA adhesive. IIRC 5-7 mils is recommended. Even so, thickness can vary depending angle and pressure. Professional Finishing Forum date.setTime(date.getTime() + (180 * 24 * 60 * 60 * 1000)); Paperbacked Veneer Cabinetmaking Forum There is a performance window when it comes to solids content. Professional Finishing Forum John - We have the mixing down - lots of work and time to get rid of all those little lumps, and we have the temp easily at 70 or over (sweatbands in place), so it is coverage that I feel lost with. Cold press laminating normally falls into one of three categories: panel-on-frame, veneer/solid core laminating or high-pressure laminate gluing. E-Mail Address: David R Sochar WOODWEB, Inc. Cold press adhesives cure by evaporation. No part of this publication may be reproduced in Powdered plastic resin Advertisers offering woodworkers discounted prices on good and services, and announcements of upcoming auctions Participants are encouraged to use their real name when posting. Please Note: If you have posted a message or response, Iron-On Veneering Shopbuilt Equipment Gallery Classified advertising for the woodworking industry (for advertisements that do not include machinery, lumber products and employment listings) Bob. Advertisers offering woodworkers discounted prices on good and services, and announcements of upcoming auctions FORUM GUIDELINES: Please review the guidelines below before posting at WOODWEB's Interactive Message Boards (return to top) Unibond 800 or PPR (powdered plastic resin) are the best for veneering in my opinion. by 144 works out to only 6.9 lbs. It is what makes an adhesive strong and durable. At least with unfilled PVA's, there is a fine line between 100% veneer coverage and porous quarter grain bleed through. Titebond Cold Press Veneer -- 5175 Titebond Cold Press Veneer -- 5176 Titebond Cold Press Veneer -- 5177 Titebond Cold Press Veneer -- 5178: Titebond Cold Press for Veneer is a high-quality, economical alternative to contact cement for large-scale bonding of veneers to flat surfaces. /* set a cookie now for this message */ To report a problem, send an e-mail to our Webmaster Discussing topics related to veneer processing, manufacturing, and fabrication Thread Related Links posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should point to locations that provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. Participants should undertake the use of machinery, materials and methods discussed at WOODWEB's Message Boards after considerate evaluation, and at their own risk. I haven't seen any notched spreaders small enough and haven't tried filling/machining down the smallest ones. We have been selling PPR (powdered plastic resin) glue for 20+ years and sell 1 gal., 5 gal, 100lb and 300lb drums. Contact us to discuss advertising or to report problems with this site. $('.thumbsupimg').click(function() { WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links or images it deems inappropriate. I am reluctant to use a PVA since it clashes with my old school "gluing must be hard" mindset. Dave Inappropriate links will be removed without notice, and at WOODWEB's sole discretion. 2/17       #17: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Machinery Exchange Correction to my earlier post: actual film thickness is less than calculations based on spreader notch area. Bag Closures A vacuum bag works good, or just a substrate with weight. Such messages do little to illuminate a given topic, and often have the opposite effect. An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches. While numbers are interesting, doing test samples is the only way to get a minimal glue line with 100% veneer coverage and no/minimal bleed. Notched spreaders can be found at most hardware stores in the flooring department. A worldwide buyer and seller exchange for woodworking machinery and equipment. Laminating and Solid Surfacing Forum ft. of lumber per year A well-crafted signature is an appropriate way to advertise your services that will not offend potential customers. Sometimes we cross band, sometimes not. Notched spreaders can be found at most hardware stores in the flooring department. This is still one of the best wood glues around, and if you want to save a little bit of money, it is well worth buying Considering I used a 55 lb scale and relatively small test pieces (~.3 sq meters), the 4 and 5.6 mil results are surprisingly close. Your Name: Your Website Comments, questions, or criticisms regarding Forum policies should be directed to WOODWEB's. Peeling off the veneer shows how well it gets covered. Cabinetmaking Forum Be sure to review our Frequently Asked Questions page. Titebond cold press glue is indicated for veneer glue ups due to its viscous nature. 2/11       #14: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! You must include a valid email address in this field. No part of this publication may be reproduced in An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches. If I did the math right, the wet film thickness of a 1/16" V notch spreader is over 30 mils. WOODnetWORK Powdered Resin Employment opportunities and services within the woodworking industry Solid Wood Machining Forum Dave (return to form) ... Subject : RE: Unibond 800 vs Titebond Posted : 2008-07-17 8:27 AM Post #34712 - In reply to #34711. They are used for spreading thinset for tile, adhesive for vinyl flooring, etc. View higher quality, full size image (1280 X 960) Hobbyist and homeowner woodworking questions are inappropriate. An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches. Letters, questions or comments? document.cookie = encodeURIComponent('thumbs_755548') + "=" + encodeURIComponent('Y') + expires + "; path=/"; What is safe for one woodworker under certain conditions may not be safe Refer a Friend || Read (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Considering I used a 55 lb scale and relatively small test pieces (~.3 sq meters), the 4 and 5.6 mil results are surprisingly close. $('.thumbsupimg').hide(); E-Mail Address If its a flat surface, in my experience, Tight bond 2 is just fine. expires = "; expires=" + date.toGMTString(); (return to form) Sawing and Drying Forum Fillers can be added which increase thickness but can reduce bond strength. Not thorough enough mixing of the powder apparently. I use a metal spreader from Ace hardware that has a 1/16" x 1/16" square notch pattern. Dave Second, regarding glue, I am one of those people ardently opposed to contact cement for veneer. Maybe I am just irrational about the whole subject. Granted we are working with some really coarse 1/16" White Oak and cross bands, but we used almost a gallon of glue to do 4 door stiles - 90 s/f. Posts with the intent of soliciting answers to surveys are not appropriate. Bob X-Press is designed for vacuum press veneering. When I was at Woodcraft I was recommended Unibond One (one part) for some bent lamination I am attempting for a corner shelf. My first spreader had 1/16" V notches almost 1/4" on center and that was too much for veneering w/ PVA. "Cross posting" is not permitted. Our original findings held. Readers should undertake the use to receive notification! Website: http://www.veneersystems.com It has been WOODWEB's experience that substantive responses are held in higher regard by our readers (return to top). 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